Mixed Marriages
Adi Kalavu wrote on a Fiji forum her opinions on Mixed marriages.
Some people in the Fijian community in Australia raised some concerns about when a Fijian woman is married to a European or a Fijian man is married to a European are there problems? Some of the issues raised were:
1. The marriage may be one of convenience, an opportunity to go to overseas, a passport to stay on for an illegal person, a visa to work. This is hardly a good basis for a stable relationship.
2. People have different expectations about a woman's place in the home, or the workplace, who is the boss of the house, who controls the money, what time to eat meals etc. From small details such as the number of visitors into the house, smoking in the lounge-room, kava parties, there can develop friction and arguments.
3. Going to church
If the Fijian partner puts a priority upon their church the other person feels abandoned and says, 'Why do you value your ethnic group more than me and the kids? You want to spend ten hours with them on a Sunday, the only day we have for family outings? 'A Fijian church service might be for two hours. Partners may go to be sociable and to enjoy the singing and dinner but often there is little in the way of English explanation on what is preached about and this is boring for the non-Fijian speaker.
4. . If the Fijian partner puts a priority upon their church the other person feels abandoned and says, 'Why do you value your ethnic group more than me and the kids? You want to spend ten hours with them on a Sunday, the only day we have for family outings? 'A Fijian church service might be for two hours. Partners may go to be sociable and to enjoy the singing and dinner but often there is little in the way of English explanation on what is preached about and this is boring for the non-Fijian speaker. Language
5. can be a barrier to understanding. If an Islander has a limited vocab in English he or she might misunderstand what is being said. Also the non-Fijian speaker might get annoyed that they don't understand the stories, the jokes and they feel excluded because no one bothers to translate. They can go for hours on the edge of a kava circle and not know what is being said. Kava.
6. Some women reckon it is a waste of time, it is costly, it makes the men lazy and tired and even gives them a dry skin. It is a bother to drive 20 k to a shop just to buy kava. Another thing is the continual rearrangement of the furniture to accommodate a kava party, chairs stacked up on the verandah or in bedrooms and everyone has to sit on the floor. A ban on smoking in your house might cause an argument because the Fijian partner wants to be seen as hospitable to guests. Alcohol and violence
7. Alcohol and violence
May cause the breakdown of a marriage. The use of money
8.Who controls the purse if only one person is working? It is difficult if one partner is a big spender, wants a lavish car, or plays the pokies. The demands of the vanua/culture
9. The demands of the vanua/culture
When there is a call for assistance for a particular need such as a bereavement, marriage, or choir tour, this can be a financial burden. The non-Fijian partner resents the fact that the income has already been allocated to pay the mortgage etc.
Okay, where there is love in the full sense of the word, many of the problems can be solved by a give and take, a talking over the situation, airing grievances and coming to some sort of compromise, and respect for each person's difference at times.
Some people in the Fijian community in Australia raised some concerns about when a Fijian woman is married to a European or a Fijian man is married to a European are there problems? Some of the issues raised were:
1. The marriage may be one of convenience, an opportunity to go to overseas, a passport to stay on for an illegal person, a visa to work. This is hardly a good basis for a stable relationship.
2. People have different expectations about a woman's place in the home, or the workplace, who is the boss of the house, who controls the money, what time to eat meals etc. From small details such as the number of visitors into the house, smoking in the lounge-room, kava parties, there can develop friction and arguments.
3. Going to church
If the Fijian partner puts a priority upon their church the other person feels abandoned and says, 'Why do you value your ethnic group more than me and the kids? You want to spend ten hours with them on a Sunday, the only day we have for family outings? 'A Fijian church service might be for two hours. Partners may go to be sociable and to enjoy the singing and dinner but often there is little in the way of English explanation on what is preached about and this is boring for the non-Fijian speaker.
4. . If the Fijian partner puts a priority upon their church the other person feels abandoned and says, 'Why do you value your ethnic group more than me and the kids? You want to spend ten hours with them on a Sunday, the only day we have for family outings? 'A Fijian church service might be for two hours. Partners may go to be sociable and to enjoy the singing and dinner but often there is little in the way of English explanation on what is preached about and this is boring for the non-Fijian speaker. Language
5. can be a barrier to understanding. If an Islander has a limited vocab in English he or she might misunderstand what is being said. Also the non-Fijian speaker might get annoyed that they don't understand the stories, the jokes and they feel excluded because no one bothers to translate. They can go for hours on the edge of a kava circle and not know what is being said. Kava.
6. Some women reckon it is a waste of time, it is costly, it makes the men lazy and tired and even gives them a dry skin. It is a bother to drive 20 k to a shop just to buy kava. Another thing is the continual rearrangement of the furniture to accommodate a kava party, chairs stacked up on the verandah or in bedrooms and everyone has to sit on the floor. A ban on smoking in your house might cause an argument because the Fijian partner wants to be seen as hospitable to guests. Alcohol and violence
7. Alcohol and violence
May cause the breakdown of a marriage. The use of money
8.Who controls the purse if only one person is working? It is difficult if one partner is a big spender, wants a lavish car, or plays the pokies. The demands of the vanua/culture
9. The demands of the vanua/culture
When there is a call for assistance for a particular need such as a bereavement, marriage, or choir tour, this can be a financial burden. The non-Fijian partner resents the fact that the income has already been allocated to pay the mortgage etc.
Okay, where there is love in the full sense of the word, many of the problems can be solved by a give and take, a talking over the situation, airing grievances and coming to some sort of compromise, and respect for each person's difference at times.
posted by George at 8:11 PM
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Following is a response from Alohakava
For what it is worth and from what I observed during my time in Fiji this is what I think from a western/Hawaiian outlook. I would imagine that the vavalagi female to a Kaiviti male would be very difficult. I would base it primarily on the value system. Western women do not want to be constricted to the role of kitchen servant with little to no say about what occurs in her household. Western women have been become more accustomed to a close relationship with their mates, with a healthy display of affection, time spent together, making decisions jointly, building a life together with occasional social outings or gatherings at the house. It would be difficult for a western woman to be able to endure the constant Kava sessions that occur on a nightly basis and the resulting consequences. I say this even though I am a Kava farmer. There has to be a balance and I don't think the western women would prefer the balance that the Fijian men have decided is the balance. Maybe the Fijian men do, but I don't see them on the surface value their women to the degree that meets the western woman's expectations.
You also had some good points about the lack of translations during the Kava and church and other social settings. It is hard during the time the European mate is trying to learn the language to feel included or secure. It is often human nature for them to wonder what everyone is talking about and whether they are laughing over something they just did and didn't know they did or just feeling bored and excluded and feeling quite stupid. I don't mean this as any offence, but to the ear not accustomed to the Fijian language it sounds a little rough and like the person speaking it is angry.
From the Western men to the Fijian women I think it's a bit easier. Of course, the Fijian woman has to do a lot of the work towards learning his culture as it is imperative to many western men for their women to be able to function in their social settings for business purposes. I noticed that some Fijian women like to engage in harmless flirtations as a way to get their men to pay attention to them. That doesn't work for the Western male who is goal orientated and does not want his mate to be embarrassing or hindering him, when her purpose is to be helping him in anyway that she can and visa-versa, since they are jointly involved in building their lives. Which might be a reason that he plays down to her as a way of excusing various cultural behaviours that she is still learning and sharpening. However, Fijian women are smart and it doesn't take them long to assimilate. In the meantime some bad habits can set in.
The one thing you didn't mention was food/diet. It seems minor but it isn't. One gets used to eating the food of their culture and they may enjoy a few dishes from the other culture, but will still crave their own. Eating together is a form of being together and even showing love. To have a meal, no matter how well cooked, that is something you don't enjoy can cause friction and hurt feelings.
The other thing is different cultures share a different sense of humor, something one does, may seem hysterically funny to the other and the other is completely insulted as they didn't see the humor in it at all and didn't mean to be funny.
I'm not saying that different cultures can't get along and enjoy each other, it just takes on a whole other dimension when you are married and requires a little more work than usually isn't present in same culture marriage. I do believe that Indian to Fijian marriages would be easier than European to Fijian, because they have grown up in Fiji and have assimilated on certain levels they may not even be aware of.
Hi George. I am firstly concerned for myself with regards to point 1 of the issues you raised with mixed marriages. Is there any way I as a sincere and honest Austalian female can ensure that I am not being used to gain citizenship. I have been in a long distance relationship with a Fijian male for just under 1 year. We met in Australia & I am genuinely in love with him but have been warned that Fijian men will marry you to get Australian citizenship and then leave you 2-3 years down the track once this is achieved. While I am sure there are many men & women of many cultures out there who will do such a hurtful thing I also believe there are many genuine people out there too. Any advice on how I can be sure he is as genuine about me as I am about him or if am I just a gullible & honest girl in love being taken for a ride? Nobody ever deserves a broken heart. I sincerely appreciate your time on this.
To the anonymous person out there - There are others like you who still have their doubts about the continuing relationship. There are examples where people have been hurt when the partner leaves.
If you met in Australia, do you know much about the Fijian culture? How much time have you spent together? A few weeks or months might not be enough to know if the person is trustworthy.
Some guys or girls for that matter do use a relationship to get their permanent residence, though these days, even that is hard to get.
In my story, we have been together for nearly forty years and so it is an optimistic story, but I know others where it has only lasted months or just a year or two.
My advice is to really get to know the person well and also meet his family and spend some time in Fiji.
Best of luck.
Wendy
Hi i stumbled across this site searching for hours some info on fijian men and western women.
6 weeks ago i met a man in fiji, samoan.
we fell for one another i didnt realise until i left the island, then as i left on the boat he waved and gave me the 'call me ' signal....
i did! we missed each other, days of travelling away from him i went back to his island. i told myself it was a holiday romance but we grew stronger as the days went on, he saw me off the island a day in nadi and the to the airport where we both held each other in tears and expressing our sudden love. I got pregnant...well i found out when i got home, after 3 weeks of deliberating what to do i told him i decided to terminate.
2 days later he broke up with me no explanation but to call him the next day and he will tell me why.
i am not money hungry but i had spent 300 aus dollars on calls and a further amount similar on the termination. so i kinda got annoyed he asked me to call again tommorrow to tell me why he wanted it over....something about not being able to talk on the office phone.
Missing him terribly i call a week later of which the receptionist tells me he finally buys a phone card and has been trying to call me all that day! calls are expensive in fiji or am i just making excuses. for someone who only earns $150 p.w
i had heard from a friend here in AUS that they prey on us for money etc. some time ago i asked him if it were true? did he have a series of women he got gifts and cash from...i mean sure will he lie or tell the truth? i asked anyway.
2 days ago...well a month after this hot topic of money he informs me his watch is stolen and can i help him with the balance for a new one? i was furious..
i called back 10 min later an explained in aus we would never ask a friend for money let alone a man i have only know 6 weeks who i just got back with 2 days prior.
should i be wary or is this just a part of fijian extended family life helping each other? he was ok when i said no....i just didnt have the cash and 2. i was annoyed.
he lives on an island, his 3 teenage kids live with "his mum"
the mum of the kids left to go back to her home country 5 years ago.
the answer he tells me why he broke up with me was due to his kids, his last partner was from canada and was disinterested in the kids.
im just also wondering if anyone can assit me on this one pose some thoughts or ideas about fijian men, well a samoan raised in fiji...
5 years ago I married a fijian "indian" man. I knew him years before when he was living here in US and was deported for overstay of his student visa. We were very good friends and he would go to church with me and attend bible studies. I knew I was falling for him when I got the call one evening he got arrested and was deported. About 3 years later I got a call from a friend from Canada who recieves Fiji news and informed me of a CU going on Indians against the Fijians. SO I called him to see if he was ok,and we started a long distance romance. We decided to get married and go through immigration to bring him back here. Even though it looked impossible because of his deportation. Well in 2000 I went to Fiji for my first time and we had a beautiful, Christian Indian wedding. It really was a dream. I felt like a princess in my American wedding gown and the guest women all in Saris. I thought my dream came true. Well after many many trips back to Fiji to the consilate I finally was able to bring him home here to the US. Things started off bad, right away I knew I made a huge mistake. All the things he promised were lies. Money was a huge problem. 7 years later we have been divorced and remaried. He and I only lived together apx 2 years total of that 7 years. Almost every thing that comes out of his mouth is a lie. He is now bringing his family over. He has takin my heart and destoyed it. We barely speak. He still thinks I will take him back, which will never ever happen. We haven't lived in the same town in over 2 years. He only calls me to put me down, and then beg me back. While he was living in Fiji after his deportation, he lived off his sisters. DIdn't work the entire time he was there which was almost 4 years. I am only posting this to warn american women about Fijian Indian men. I really do not believe that can be honest, or truly love another. Now I see he only married me to get his brother and his family over. He got a huge homeowner loan, and bought 2 new cars and is planning to move out of state. For him to give me just a few dollars for food never happens. And if he does the harrasment that I escaped from starts up all over again. They are lazy, mentally abusive men. No matter what they tell you, 90% of the time it is a lie. SO BEWARE! If you are a american woman concidering to marry a man from Fiji, you will be putting yourself in harms way. He will do and say anything you want to get what he wants.
mmmm this is all very interesting...i really fell for a native fijaian while on holiday in Fiji, and there was lots of talk that guys only get with aussie girls to leave and get citizenship. If he had asked me right then and there to marry him (in fiji) I probably would have. I asked him to email me with his phone number, but he never did, i'm actually really glad, because i realised i was punch drunk in love..it wasn't real, it was the gorgeous smells, the bulging muscles, the cocktails and beautiful sunsets I was inlove with. I realise now that it was a big mistake to get so taken in, but i do understand how it happens. I'd advise against it, unless you are really sure and u have been together for a couple of years
I'm an Australian girl in a new relationship with a Fijian man. I leave for Fiji in a few days so I can see my man again. This trip I am hiring a car and we are going to travel to his parents house so I can met them. I have been to his home village but not stayed there, I stay in a resort next door. I have appreciated reading what others have posted about these mixed relationships. I would love to think that my man loves me for me and not for my nationality but the sensible side of me has some doubt. I have very mixed emotions at the moment he seems to be so real I just hope that he is the wonderful man he appears to be. I will learn more about him while I'm there next week and will be looking out for the warning signs. Wish me luck!
Its quite a difficult thing to embark on. I have many Fijian friends who live in Fiji. I have western friends who are married to Fijian men, some live in Australia, two live there with them and live the way the locals do.
I myself am in a relationship with a Fijian and it wasnt something I went into lightly however I am glad now I did.
As I have Fijian friends I stay in the villages and do as the locals do, I get to see things that many western women dont. I am learning the language (its not as easy as one would think) and I see things that I dont like as a western woman.
The answer is alot more simple than us women want it to be.
Yes the Fijian male is more than capable of using western women to get out of Fiji. Where they go they dont care, as long as they get out and have the opportunity to live a western life with generous incomes (any western income is generous compared to theirs) and have all the mod cons that western living brings.
There seems to be a trend of young men who are employed from the resorts, latching onto the older woman and marrying them. In the last month I witnessed 2 western women marrying local village boys. Both women were around 10 years older. One lady was in her early thirties (however looked late twenties) and married a guy in his late teens. Both boys didnt seem too in love to me. One of them has his Australian wife still in the area and he is seen nightly with local girls in cars driving around. Put 2 and 2 together and you are not wrong in your assumption as to what he is up too. Neither of these women would be classified as your true beauty. They are over weight and are the sweetest ladies you will meet but both clearly wear the pants in the relationship. What I mean by that is they call the shots and the boys follow, and will continue to do so for now. Both are obviously not staying in Fiji and have applied for marriage visas, they now sit and wait till they have their ticket out of there.
I may seem harsh in my wording but I read lots of stuff on the internet about mixed relationships between western girls and fijian boys, and alot of it is airy fairy. If you are going to indulge, go in with your eyes open and your heart protected.
If you meet this guy and he is a resort worker, walk away. Trust me when I say "Walk away". I know many resort workers and most are already married but dont admit it and others have several girls on the go sending money and gifts etc. If you use your head you will realise that they are in contact with women everyday. Some are keen for a fling, others are desperate for love. Dont think you are the only one they have their eye on.
If you meet this man through friends who can vouch for his integrity and character, then you have a better chance than many others. If he is younger than you then think twice. I notice that the young guys seems to go for the older over weight lady. Why,, because as they say... They are easier to win over. They want money and status and the younger guys think white girls bring it to them.
Find out quickly if he wants move to your country or if he is happy to stay where he is.
Meet his family however if you spend any amount of time with Fijians you will realise that they wont say anything to you if they are concerned, because to speak out is rude and they would never ever want to offend you.
I sat and had tea recently with one village woman who is my friend. She said to me that if she had of had time to befriend these western girls she would have tried to warn them that they are marrying men who are using them. A local wont warn you if the consequences are that they suffer for doing so. They have to live there, you get to go home.
All you can do is use your head. If he is younger than you, is not going out of his way to do all he can to make the relationship work, is keen to get married and asks for money, gifts, or expects you to pay for everything, then you have your answer. But to sit and be honest with one self in regards to love and the possibilty of cutting off your love supply because you "think' its not right, is one of the hardest things you will ever do but it will not be as hard as bringing him home, and finding out after 2 -3 years that he used you.
It doesnt sound like I am a western women who is madly in love with a Fijian male. I am, however, I learnt alot before I allowed one to come into my world.
Mine man is not younger than me and is infact a lot older. I dont give money and have never done so... (dont start something that you dont want continued). He works and has little money but calls me as much as I call him and for a Fijian, thats a costly thing. He made it clear to me that he wont ever move overseas and if this relationship was to go anywhere then I would have to move there. He constantly considers me in his long term decisions. He may not ask for my opinion but he does put me first and always makes sure that I am always better off in the long run. ITs not been easy as I am a independant woman who has her own life and money and ideas etc. He is a typical Fijian male and naturally wants to dominate and take the lead. Its not a abusive thing but rather the way its always been for him in Fiji so its something he naturally does, or did until he met me. I have learnt to not put my foot down until its necessary, to always talk through things so he understands where I am coming from in my opinions and why he needs to think of things from my point of view. There are times where I dont like the outcome.. Kava nights and village obligations I struggle with but need to respect. He has learnt to balance things now and comes home earlier and keeps the obligations under control. We have learnt that money is my strength and his weakness so I control the purse strings and it works for us BUT and I say a big BUT, I never embarrasse him about this and allow it to look like he is in control around family and friends. I spend alot of time in Fiji and a few months at home each year to earn money to support us better. Life is not easy there as the standard of living is alot lower. Wages are low and cost of living high, but its paradise and you can live there for just $5000 per year if you learn to grow food and manage as they do. I am glad now that I allowed this wonderful man into my heart, but the road has not been easy and the risks at times were high.
Dont kid yourself if its too good to be true... you will only get your heart broken. Be true to yourself when asking yourself those critical questions about him, go with the flow but be wise and assertive.
Good luck x
I am quite amazed and excited that I found this page. I had the fabulous experience of being in Fiji last year. The Fijian men aren't the best lookers and definitely not the most hygienic but a few notably the ROTUMANS are the better catch. They smoke, drink and get uncontrollably drunk which I suppose is a part of their culture and gosh these Kava sessions. I too met one of the Diveboys working on South Sea Island. Mark you I am a black girl living in a western country so maybe that was the attraction. I was really attracted to the guy but being streetwise myself and not knowing much about the culture I tried to play it safe. For the time I was there many a nights he slept in my apartment, he was treated well and I regularly use to drive him to the Port so he could catch the boat to work. I went away to OZ for the weekend and brought him back a gift, he was overly pleased and more than keen to show me his appreciation that night( if you know what I mean). These guys think us westerners are silly, and I can't blame them because the way these white girls make themselves readily available. I agree a few are really genuine and will make the extra effort to buy a Vodafone or Digicel credit and make a short call or send texts but like someone said, if he works in the resorts or is a diveboy DO NOT GET INVOLVED. Stay as far away as possible, the same thing they tell you is the same they say to all the other thousands of girls who visit the resort. Luckily all he got from me was some phone credit (which he used to call me anyway), some cigarettes and half of pizza. I think he thought that his ''beautiful toned body'' would afford him more but no way us black girls are far more clever. Facebook is also a good tool to find out about these guys. I wasn't surprised when he added me on his facebook, because that was done in front of me in my apartment on my computer. What surprised me was the way how he says ''I love you'' so quickly. Met him daytime, same night he said the words. I think the Fijian people are a very warm, friendly and welcoming nation but quite a lot of them make use of the tourism industry as a means of getting out of Fiji. They have total disregard for women's rights, not as bad as Papua New Guinea, but the younger ones in the resort areas who have been exposed to western women, seem to be more than willing to conform as long as they get the assurance that they are going to get a Visa. In your case Robin, that's just tough. Hope you finally find one fool who's more than willing to believe your lies and take you to Australia or Europe. Also a tip for ladies visiting, make sure you bring condoms, I think they have a problem either affordability or using them. I'm smart, always have them in my luggage. Kids are nice and precious, but more precious if you can look after them well and don't think that by sending them to Rotuma or MAINLAND fiji to live with an over populated household is the answer.
Okay,
I have spend some good time reading some of this post. I agree with your experience and obsevations of Fijian man. I am Fiji Indian myself. Educated with a Computer Sc. Degree from Australia. I am married to a Caucasian American for last 17 years. Have two school age kids. I know what Fiji men [natives or the Indian] are like. They are ALL full of lies, let me repeat, they open their mouth and they lie. They all a hypocrates and want the woman to be sub-servient to them. Well, as you see that is the most important reason,I am NOT married to Fijian or Indian. They are emotionally abusive, physically abusive, my sisters go through this all the time, yet they have no choices as you may know, esp. the ones who have been to Fiji and seen the culture and tradition they follow. So, I warn each one of you smart woman there, think twice as things do not smell so good as they appear. in other words everything glittering is NOT gold. You will be better off being single then married to these pigs who don't know shit...now I am really getting mad and I have to stop. If anyone wants to chat more to me...email me at PushUSA@Gmail.com.
Well I am fijian indian myself this in regards to the woman married to an american. Not all Fijian (Native and indians) are liars, cheats and whatever crap people have posted here there is good and bad everywhere. There are a lot of honest hardworking fijian (native and indians) who are very faithful to their women. I know a fijian indian woman happily married to a native fijian and has one son. I have encountered alot of caucasian liars as well who will sweet talk with you in order to get into your pants and alot of goods ones as well
In regards to Push the pnly pig I see is you for categorising all of them and your sisters for marrying those type of men in the first place and still staying in that relationshiop
So I want each of you smart educated women to know one thing its not race but the indivual that matter and there are liars, cheats and abusive men everywhere. If a man treats you bad get out of that relationship do not stay there
I am a 22-yr-old Australian university graduate (now an English teacher) who recently travelled to Fiji with a male friend. He took me to a village he has been visiting for 12 years now, a place where he has become quite friendly with the locals and their families. I spent some time in the local school teaching lessons as well as living the traditional Fijian lifestyle. I LOVED it! I had so much fun and found the people to be so friendly and welcoming. In the village I had 3 different guys confess feelings for me. I told each of them that I only wanted their friendship. Since my return home I have been in contact with each of them. I have no idea if their feelings are real, because they are so persistent even though I have no encouraged their romantic advances
Fiji man 1: is a year younger than me and is not usually in the village. He spends school terms in Suva studying at uni to become a doctor. He is polite and respectful and always tells me how much respect he has for teachers, as he was raised by his grandfather who was a teacher. He has only revealed his apparent feeling for me since I have returned home... said he hopes I can return to Fiji so we can spend time getting to know each other.
Fiji man 2: just so happens to be number 1's younger brother. He too is from the village but lives in Nadi with his grandparents who moved there so he and his brothers could get a decent education. He is younger than me by 4 years! I adore him but in the sense of a little brother. he too has been texting me (nearly everyday!) and has recently declared his feelings for me stating that he "wishes to be my man." naturally I have told him that as sweet but he is too young for me and we live in different countries and I think of him as a brother...this has not deterred him.
Fiji man 3: is a local villager who took a shine to me. I had no idea he liked me. it was a distant female relative of his who told me over kava one night that this man had "fallen in love with me" this for starters made me suspect as we had only know each other a week. To this day I still know barely anything about him. He is extremely attractive and sweet and I am ashamed to admit I gave into my urges one night...as he told me how much he loved me...and let him kiss me. He said he wished to spend the nite with me but I firmly said no and would not let him into my bure and did not kiss him again. Since my return home he has sent me about 1 very intense love letter a month talking of how love sick and lonely he is and how he longs to see me again.
It is unknown to these 3 guys, but I am actually returning to the village in 2 months time, again with my male friend and his wife.
I adore the Fijian people and love the rich culture. Naturally I was flattered to have drawn so much attention but was wary and decided to look into other people’s stories. Now I’m not looking to marry this man I have feelings for...I’m just thinking about letting him know how I feel and possibly work abroad in Fiji for a while to pursue a relationship. Is this stupid??
Now I am by no means rich, I have major student but I’m sure to many of these Fijian guys I must have seemed very rich and privileged. I don't think I’m particularly attractive but some people say I am. I am quite tall 176cm) with very big blue eyes and long dark brown hair and olive skin. I’m not skinny but not grossly overweight...just a little cuddly! ;-)
I just want people’s opinions on what to do, what they think etc. I have never attracted so much male attention at home in Australia as I did in Fiji. The 3 men I have mentioned were just a few guys. Why did I attract so much attention?? What is the draw card? After reading peoples stories I am sadly beginning to think it is because I would be a good ticket to Australian citizenship and not because I’m a nice, fun person to be around!
I am so happy to have finally found people in the same position as myself. To contexualise my experience - I lived in Fiji for 4 months this year volunteering at a local school in Suva. During this time I not only fell in love with the country, and its culture, but also with a Fijian man. I am 21 and he is 23.
I feel that things are perhaps slightly easier for me because he does not live in a village, but in Fiji's main city, where he lives a life style which is not all that different from my own in the West. I live in the UK... he phones me daily from his mobile and we speak on skype almost every night. He also has a mobile phone which he texts me off.
I moved in with him and his family, in Suva, for about 2 months before I had to return home. Before I moved in with him I took things one day at a time, and kept my guard up whilst I tried to suss out whether he was using me or not. I didn't relax until I moved in with him, and saw that he didn't actually need to be using me for money because his family had enough of their own - and being a backpacker - i didnt actually have any anyway!! Despite the fact that to this day he has never asked me for any money, unless I'd moved in with him - seen his life and gotten to know him completly - I would have been worried. I urge all you ladies out there to try and do the same if you can - meet his family, friends - and see his life for yourself, and do not feel pressured to rush into marriage!! I know it;s crazy but I honestly believe I would have married him out there if he'd asked me, which is insane.
Although I trust 100% that our relationship is based on nothing but love, this is not to say that things have been easy. Within the first few weeks the thing that bothered me initially was the way in which he kept saying that he wanted to come and live with me in the UK in the future. As soon as he said this I tensed up and thought..'aghh here we go - this is what it's all about for me'. The fact that he also told me he loved me after 3weeks also freaked me. My western girlfriends who i was living with in Fiji were also sceptical. I told these worries to my Fijian Girlfriend who said 'with Fijian guys it's all or nothing, they either love you and want to marry you or they're not interested'. She said 'may be he just does really love you'. It would have been lovely if I could have just brushed my worries aside and given him the benefit of the doubt.. but I was so worried about being naieve that it took me along time to realise that the poor guy was actually had no ulterior motive.
I believe that if he wanted to use me for British citizenship he would not have made plans to study in Australia for 2 years - and he would have proposed before I left Fiji!
To test things I told him that I actually didn;t want to live in the UK but I wanted to live in Fiji. He replied 'I honestly don't care where we live as long as we're together'.
It's really difficult because it's so easy to be swept along with the romance of Fiji! However, i think that if you excersize basic common sense it's pretty easy to tell whether a guy is using you or not. My heart goes out to all Western woman who have been captivated by the lure of Fiji! Just stay sensible, trust your instincts and you'll be fine. If something is not adding up - a marriage proposal after a week, ASKING for money, and a significant age difference, then it's a good idea to step back and protect yourself.
If my Fijian man was asking for money, and in a rush to marry I would have freaked out and treated it as a holiday romance.
He recently booked a flight to the UK to come and see me in December and although he will be living with me during his 6 week stay, he paid for the flight himself. I am also going back to Fiji in 2 months time to see him. He has asked me to bring him some VANS trainers and a Superman T shirt but that is all!
Good luck to everyone xx
All I can say is been there, done that, learnt the hard way. Met him at the rugby, turns out he worked at the resort I was staying at. And yes he was younger. Spent a fortune in phone calls. Made many trips to Fiji to see him. Went to visit his parents. Introduced as a friend - well okay I could handle that. Spent a fortune on clothes, taking him out etc etc. On my last trip to see him, got a call from his WIFE. That's why we never went to his place. And all his friends and brothers were in on it too. All he wanted was his ticket to Australia. Felt like a silly lovesick fool. My Fijian friends had tried to tell me not to get involved without actually telling me straight out. I can appreciate that they would have to deal with the consequences if it was to come out that they had spoken to me. I actually laugh now about all the cryptic Facebook postings I would see. They make a lot of sense now, I was just too blind before to realise they were meant for me.
Thankfully, I know that not all Fijian men are like this. One of my Fijian girlfriends has since introduced me to her nephew. He is my age, doesn't work in a resort, has his own house, doesn't take the kava and has no desire to leave Fiji. And I stay at his house when I visit.
I agree with Chaztaz, Fijian men say I Love You very quickly, but yes to them it's all or nothing - the problem is you have to find out if they are genuine or not.
I am still at the stage with my new Fijian man of no expectations, no disappointments. This time I'm taking it slowly with my eyes wide open. So far so good. My Facebook friends have also been silent so I can only take that as a good sign.
I posted earlier about my worry of returning to the village where i met a boy i am quite fond of.
he met me at the airport upon my return. he didnt tell me he would be there. i lived in the village with his family for 2 months. he has saved & purchased his own ticket to australia to spend christmas with me and my family. he is in no rush to marry and wants nothing from me. he is a hard worker and a lovely person.
i think i've lucked out here and found an amazingly genuine man. we're still taking things slow, not making any major life plans as of yet. just flying back and forth every 2 months to see each other...plus its not me doing all the trvaelling, he is paying his way too!!
i was very cautious at the begining of our relationship, especially after reading what people had written here. i think if you're sensible and don;t get caught up in the idea of a fairytale ending then you will be fine. afterall - your parents didnt raise you to be a fool.
I have a Fijian boyfriend. Admittedly I was very nervous at first and had many concerns about why he wanted to pursue a relationship with me.
It was only after my 3rd trip to Fiji that I really started to like him back. Now I am head over heels in love with him.
However in saying that I haven't let this relationship be the main priority in my life...not yet. I am still in Australia working and saving and he is in Fiji. Every 2 months we take turns to travel to each others countries and spend a few weeks together. I have lived in his village with his family and he has lived in Australia with me.
I still have other travel I want to do and other life goals to fulfill and I have been very clear with him from the start. We are very much in love and willing to wait for each other.
In my personal experience it has helped that we are both so honest and open with each other. I adore his family and feel I can trust him while we're apart. His village supports pur relationship and my my family supports it as well. It is still difficult at times with certain cultural barriers but we do thje best we can and deal with any issues if and when they arise.
The main thing is to be open, honest, good communication and cultrually aware. I have made a huge effort to be involved in his way of life, much the same as he had made an effort to be involved in mine. I'm still learning his local dialect. I've been to the village so many times now that I'm considered by the locals to be an honorary "kaiviti girl"
If you feel the spark don't walk away and spend your life wondering what could have been, just try and make a go of it. If it doesn't work out, well then you will be strnger and wiser for the experience, and if it does then thats lovely.
Afterall, as one of the village elders said to me, it doesn't matter that we're from different worlds, different upbringings, or even differnt colours, on the inside we are all still human. We all love, we all cry and we all function in the same way.
Good luck to you all x
yeah be careful is my advice. i have been married to a fijian man for the last 91/2 years. we live in australia and for the last 8 years it has been filled with disaster after disaster. the fijian community is more important to him than me or our son who is 8. he regularly goes out without telling me turns his phone off and it can be days before he returns. he seems oblivious to his actions. anything is ok if it meets his needs. he says i dont understand him but when i think back the warning signs were there i was just too in love or besotted to see them. he would always meet me at the airport but rushed me into a taxi and off to the hotel. i paid for absolutely everything and then some. i feel that his education has been a barrier and his lack of emotion has definitely made life hard for me. it is frustrating and i was warned all those years ago but was blinded. be very very careful
I dont think that its anything to do with their education, Fiji Indian men seem to tell a lot of lies,and try to make themselves out to be bigger and better than what they really are.Ive met some here in employment situations and they seem to be very devious,they also seem to drink alot.One I know recently married here in NZ and got his PR and his wife just gave birth,he only got married to his indian bride and got married at the same time of putting in his application for residence to which the NZ govt stupidly gave him.Im sure his wife will be another benefit statistic in the near future.
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Part 1...
Hi everyone,
Just wondering if any western ladies experienced a Fijian man talking about starting a family & working hard to build a life with you. Unfortunately I seem too often to be a little naive.
Me & my Fijian boyfriend are the same age (Mid 20's) & have been together 6 months so far. He has had the opportunity to come & study in Oz since we met in Fiji. I stayed there for 6months.
In Fiji he spent money to come & see me. doesn't seem lazy and had a job that paid minimal. He dsn't smoke, drink kava (he's into fitness & rugby). loves drinking alcohol with the boys but not often. one night he went out drinking & answered the phone when he was at a club then realised the next morning i was upset because he didn't call me back like he said he would (lost phone). He called at least 70 times from various numbers but I didn't answer for a long while.
I havn't made things easy for him emotionally when I was there but he still stuck around & we got through it. Now that he's in Oz (different state though) & we've been talking about him coming here for longer periods for us to get to know each other properly.
At first he talked about wanting to raise his family in Fiji. kids experiencing the simple things. I don't know if this is genuine. anyway, i've kept things quiet bout our relationship from family & only my nearest & dearest know about the relationship. I still can't fully express myself because of how they might think of him or their influence on my decisions. I want to be convinced of it first.
Part 2...
I had my doubts but I let them slide & relied on God to make that decision for me on wether he was genuine. If he isn't then i hope God takes him away from me because I don't know how much strength I’d have when it comes to the crunch. I am an overweight girl & he's quite athletic. I've let him know that if he wants a rich girl then he's picked the wrong person. I live on my own & have debt which he now knows about in full. He offered to eventually find work & help me pay it off but i declined & said to save to pay for him coming over is better. his father is in the US but not a citizen yet. He sends him money too.
I stayed in Fiji for quite some time & know a lot about Fijian culture & gender roles, etc. I haven't spent much on him so he gets used to looking after himself. When he came to visit me in Fiji he would pay for transport to my place & I'd cover food & expenses for anything we did. I did most of the calling. In Oz, I did most of the calling too & paid for his flights to come see me. we had a little fight about that & he buys his own credit now. hopefully he will pay for his next flight.
We were talking about him coming on a holiday visa to the same city as me. talk extended to fiance visa. i was sort of angry when he mentioned this. we spoke about being together for the long term before & i let him know that we'd have to be together at least 2 years before getting engaged. then a year later marriage if things are working out. i think that amount of time is good to really get to know someone. but in the same city at least.
We were just friends at the beginning & spoke over the phone for about 6 weeks before he expressed how he felt for me. he came at a time when i needed a friend & i was a little vulnerable. i had to push him to express how he felt though.
i don't know what to think & feel about him anymore. we talk at least 5 times a day so im hoping that means that there's no one else. We haven't had sex as I'm saving it for marriage & he know's this & is ok with it. he's still stuck around. We talk first thing in the morning, a few times throughout our day & for a long while before sleeping. Sometimes we'll sleep on the phone together.
Does this seem like one of the relationships where he only wants to come to australia?? He also has the opportunity for a potential rugby sponsorship.
Am I being blinded that i can't see reality??
Your oppinions would be much appreciated.
Vinaka Vakalevu!
Still waiting for a reply to the last post. Much appreciated. Thanks :)
Australia is currently the best country in the world and Fiji has digressed.
I have seen many relationships that start of like yours and end up a long term relationship. Whatever happens you will have a significantly different experience compared to whats happening now.
You don't seem blinded so you should be able to handle consequences as the relationship changes over times as all relationships do.
Thanks for your reply. So do you think it'll turn out for the negative if it does progress??
If you've seen or heard about anything like this in your presonal experience can you please shar with me? You would be so helpful. Every one has oppinions on this matter but no one has spoken about personal experiences from the Fijian side or friends that have been in this situation, etc...
A friend I made at the resort I was staying at (didn't know him before I introduced them) Said that if he is just in it for the visa, he will still love you for it, for giving him a better life. That's about all I've gotten from the Fijian end...
Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Vinaka Vakalevu
If a non Fijian women wants a successful marriage with a native Fijian man from Fiji she would have no other choice then to assimilate into our culture.
If that includes church on Sundays, cooking curry for him and his kava buddies, accommodating extended family who are in town then so be it. In the end he will love you more for your understanding nature then the amount of money you have in the bank or the fact that you can get him a visa.
And yes majority of these men do seek relationships with non Fijian women in order to come overseas.
I know a few of them who took this route, they now complain about being unhappy, the kaivalagi lifestyle they are living and some even wish that they had married a Fijian girl because it would have made things easier.
The success of the relationship fully depends on wether the non Fijian woman is willing to accept the Fijian culture and lifestyle.
You can argue that since we live overseas why hold onto the Fijian way of life? Well thats just the way we Fijians are..we are proud of our identity and our roots. We value God,our vanua,history, culture, strong family bonds and we pass these values onto our children. The reason why a lot of these mixed marriages fail in the first place is because the woman refuses to accept the Fijian way of life, they start by complaining about the amount of time spent with the Fijian community,church on sundays, the fact that the Fijian language is being spoken when they are around, the fact that the man has an obligation and duty to his family back home and the Vanua, freshly cooked food(and Im not talking about 3 meat and Veg), the fact that he expects you to cook, how to raise their kids, keeping a clean house etc. Fijian men really expect you to.. not only know your place in the house but to also run it proper. That is what they have seen in their mothers and that is what the expect from their wives.
I know of some non Fijian women married to Fijian men who have assimilated into our culture and their role in the house hold and have a lasting happy marriage.
Assimilation into our culture is the key to a successful marriage with a Fijian man. This will save you tears, divorce court and seeing your Fijian husband run off and run back to a Fijian woman who has no trouble understanding the Fijian way of life and value system because it it also her own.
Be very very careful , try to know the guy first for a few months, A fijian guy who professes his love for you in a few days or weeks is suspect, if the guy is from a village i know im stereotyping here but generally speaking, a guys life is revolved around the vanua- traditions extended family, church, female is generally subserviate in the family context ,try to get to know the guy deeper what are his life plans and view on family, talking to friends who who work in the service industry they boast about easily getting tourists to sleep with, but there are some nice fijian guys out there, try to get to know the ones that are on a break in the resorts ,hotels,etc my understanding is fijians are generally friendly and nice those that go overboard in trying to impress you are suspect cheers on that note i have fijian friends who are balanced and open minded. its just a case of delving deeper
Hi, JD here. Wow I'm so happy I found this site. I just came back from Fiji not long ago. While I was there I met a Fijian guy at the Resort I was staying at. I’m completely torn with this one. I would just love to get into his brain to find out if he’s being entirely genuine with me. I have some good feelings about certain things, but some other things I’m just not entirely sure yet.
Before we hooked up, we were hanging out having a chat and he mentioned to me his pick up style. Soooo smash and dash, hit and quit was what he told me. For those who are not familiar with those terms – basically it means he bails as soon as he gets lucky in the sack. So it was my last night on the island and yep he got lucky. We had a great time together and the next day I left for home. I wasn’t expecting much as obviously we live in different countries and given his ‘hit n quit’ style and all. But when I got home I had the most heartfelt message from him via Facebook. Saying things like, how taken away he was with me. How he has never felt like this before. I noticed he backed up his claims with evidence and even went into detail. I thought to myself, you didn’t need to write all this stuff Mr hit n quit. We lovingly messaged each other for a week or so and then started Skyping. I guess you’re thinking now well he must want to leave Fiji then. He’s picked her as someone he can actually stand in order to get what he needs. No.. he never wants to leave Fiji, he doesn’t care about money. He works in IT and I told him if he was to work in Australia for a couple of years in our IT industry he would be set for life. He told me ‘that’s just money, not happiness’. He’s proud of his culture; he lives and breathes his Rugby, hits up the Kava but by no means every day, enjoys liquor but only once in a while and doesn’t smoke. He’s warm, gentle, strong and fun. He’s told me how much it blows his mind how similar I am to the Fijians – warm, friendly, easy going, happy, spiritual plus some western extras. Howeverrrrrrr, all that said..... I think I’ve sexually dazed him, stunned him. I have a very high libido and an adventurous sexual nature. I think there’s a good chance a lot of it’s to do with this. I’ve also been told and I hate saying this argghhh.... that I’m every guys dream girlfriend. You know that annoying girl in high school that’s good at everything, nice to everyone whatever whatever. So what I think is I’ve hooked this ‘hit n quit’ fella and he just loves the idea of loving me. Or so I think hey. Only time will tell.
Until then, I’ll keep my eyes out for red flags. Pfffttt even though the hit n quit stuff is pretty much a given deal breaker. I have myself a player – I’m doomed. Haha. Any comments appreciated.
http://aussiewomanfijianman.blogspot.com/
Been with my Fijian man just over a year! Enjoy the read and if there any question I might be able to help answer just let me know. Best of luck on your journeys :)
okay girls. Seriously. I am in the same boat as some of you but mine involves Fijian kids. I was dating a man in Fiji and I found out while on our second or third date that he had a number of kids with other women. I love kids and I loved him and by the time I found out I had already fallen for him so it didn't even shocked me. The problem is that by our third date the two of us had already fallen in love with each other. on the last day I was there the maids asked my best friend (whose Fijian) if he (my current at time relation) and I were getting married because we they could tell we were head over heals in love. She responded... they'd probably like too maybe someday!
We dated long-distance for 4 months. I was supposed to re-visit Fiji but was talked out of it by my friends. My Fijian bf was furious at me for cancelling. We didn't speak for 6 months. I was in heart-broken pain for 6 months and it was the longest 5 or 6 months of my life. My heart was shattered. I loved him. I didn't care that he had kids and wasn't married. It was how he treated me. He always paid for everything even though he had no money. He refuses to let me send him money and even during the flood when he had no food or water he refused me sending him money I was worried sick about him for days. While I was in Fiji he treated me ilk e a princess, Introduced me to his family and friends and his niece and I talk on the phone, she is 5.
I am western and the ongoing debate has been does he want me for my riches. However, he knowing I am poor and flat broke does not matter to him what matters to him is to see me happy and healthy. I have some health problems right now. He is 8 years my elder but I have never been treated more like a princess then from him. He has told me flat out that he doesn't want to come to North America, only to see me and to get me. I told him if you want me, you have to come get me. It's been a year since I met him and he is still in love with me since the first time we met.
We are currently working on visitor visas. If it is God's will then he will get it to come visit then go back to Fiji. We have firmly discussed this to happen.
Ladies, not all Fijian men are bad. I found a keeper. My heart has been broken for 300 days without him and yet he still calls me and I still tells me that he loves me. When you love each other for who each other are it is amazing what can happen. He told me he loved me after knowing me for 3 months. He told me he loves my heart.
No one knows what the future holds but when you find a keeper you will know. You do have to be wary at times with foreign men, but when you know, you know.
Wonderful fijian men are out there.
I am british and have been with fijian man for 8 years we have two sons..
It has not always been easy because of the cultural diferencës..but when you truely love someone you accept their ways
Mixed marriages can last but like any relationship they have to be worked at.
Hi JD here again. I’ve already posted a comment . If you would like some background on this post read my 1st post .. posts back.
So my Fijian boi and I have been seeing each other since October 2012. We met each other for 2 days when I was in Fiji and have been Skyping ever since. Yep that’s how much we like each other. The best advice I can give you ladies is to be as educated as you can about the Fijian culture. As it’s certain there will be a culture clash. We definitely had one. A big one to be aware of is the male dominance thing. While modern Fiji certainly respects their women, there are still old traditions that dribble through. I’m a very analytical person. Occasionally this may be mistaken as opinionated. He really doesn’t like this trait of mine. He interprets it as me thinking I know everything.. and that I know more than him. This does not sit well with a Fijian man. It doesn’t help that I’m 6 years older than him too. I’m conscious of this and make efforts to ask his advice about things, build him up so to speak. I’m not being ungenuine, I most certainly value his opinion as he’s an old sole – a wise person. I just have to respect the difference and make the effort to meet in the middle. Open your mind to this kind of stuff as cultural mis-interpretations/differences will most certainly occur. Be aware of what’s actually going on! Communication is the key - naturally in any relationship it’s the wheels that drive the car. Without communication your relationship will meander down a windy stormy road to a mangy dead end. Because there will most certainly be culture clashes – communication is even more crucial here. You need to not only understand what’s going on with the other person, but what’s going on with the other person from a cultural point of view. If you both of you can drop your pride and gracefully approach the truth together – you will be an awesome team!
While there are certainly some culture clashes there are definitely some amazing things about the Fijian culture. They are strong - they handle the big stuff and all the little things in-between ever so beautifully. I guess you could say the absolute opposite to a neurotic. They are easy going/laid back – very little phases them. Life is just too short to sweat. Wise - they are very switched on about the world and know what’s important in life (family, loved ones, morals etc). Spiritual – they are natural, love thy neighbour type stuff. Fun – always having a joke, a laugh. They’ll take it where ever they can.
What I love about my Fjiain boi is he’s a big kid. I am too. He brings this side out in me and it’s my favourite part of my personality. So I guess you could say he brings out the best in me. Forces my sole to grow. Makes me be the best me I can be. Which is what’s it’s all about isn’t it?! What could be better than not taking life seriously? Being child like, such a natural way to live a life.
Wish me luck with my Fijian prince.
Stay cool Mr Stone. JD loves you and always will.
I agree. There's such truth spoken in the comment about fijian guys not sweating the small stuff - that's what I love about my husband, too. I have a tendency to stress, and he's always so good putting it into perspective.
I can't really empathise with the cultural classes at all, as to date, we've had none. He's a modern fijian, lived in the city and has a mum who has always worked as very busy professional. The biggest issue for us has been the fact that he struggles to relax fully on front of my parents - which I guess it partly because he's shy, but perhaps partly cultural. He thought he had to address my dad as Sir when he first met him, and is still very formal around them.
I posted a year or so ago and kind of cringe about how naive I sound. i definitely underestimated how hard it would be working out how we could make a life together, and handle the distance in the meantime...
We went through some real challenges during our time apart but are now happily married. And have been for A year and a bit. He may not be the most sophisticated man, or earn the most money... But he's generous, loving and has the most gentle nature. I know he's got all the important qualities that money will never be able to buy.
So, good luck everyone. I guess the most important thing is to remain savvy and try not to get swept away with the romance! Although, that's way easier said than done. I'd be really interested in hearing updates from the other posters.... Xxx
Here's a link to my blog touching on this subject too:
http://modernfijian.blogspot.co.uk/
I am in a very similar situation as you. guarded but open. I am wondering how you manage to spend so much time in Fiji but then return to your home country to work. do you stay using a visitor visa?
Hello
I saw your post and I have the same situation. I met a fiji guy whilst on holiday, I have met his family many times and lived with them in their village. I was just wondering how you did a visit visa to the uk for him as this is what we next plan to do. Did you sponsor him to come?
I had the experience of being taken for a complete ride by my Fijian man. I look back now & realise how naive I was, blinded by love.
I met him at the resort I was staying at. He seemed so shy, quiet & genuine. He was older than me & widower.
I went back a number of times over the following year. Met family & friends, spent time in the village. He said all the right things, always seemed respectful & considerate. I am generous by nature so foolishly I assisted financially. He was very clever about the way he asked for help. I didn't even realise he was asking! We married & initially we thought that I'd move there, but financially that wasn't going to work, so we decided he & his daughter would move here.
I paid for the visa process to commence. Then things changed. He 'lost' his job. (so he told me but this wasn't true). I'd already paid a lot of money to set him up with a business in Fiji that he could run & teach his sons to run so the family had an income when he came here. He did nothing with the business (it was his idea to start the.business). I sent money to set up a piggery for the family (the money got spent).The more I looked into it, the more lies I uncovered. Always told to get more money from me. Then the requests for me to send money for village needs. When I declined (as I genuinely couldn't afford it) within days his daughter would ask for money saying it was a school trip or school activity, in the hope being her education I'd pay for it. Yes family will lie to help them.
I became very unwell, but there was no thought, kindness to me. It became a constant barrage of requests for money. My 'duty' as his 'legal wife'. Lies to avoid taking on skype, pawning of things I'd purchased (but I was told they were stolen).
Eventually I realised I was being used. I walked away, with a huge debt. I should have been more careful, but I truly believed he was genuine & that he really loved me.
I am not saying all Fijian men are the same.You do have to be careful. Not everyone is honest. I was taken for a ride & it's cost me significantly, both emotionally & financially. Don't be as naive & too fast to trust as I was.
He had no respect for me & no intention of meeting half way culturally
He lied the majority of the time & always to better his life
He had no intention of working hard to improve life. He constantly made excuses. and avoided work.
IS this still active? I really need some advice at the moment on this topic. So much of this resonates with me that it constantly worries me....considering I am supposedly with a Fijian guy who I am seriously doubting at the moment. Seems an effort for him to even say Hello , even though Is net over the smart phone, pay for credit, send money, clothes etc........I don't think it is too much to expect an ' Hello, How are you ?' , everyday.
I would rely like to ask you some questions? I am struggling with a Fijian guy at the moment. I live in Brisbane but just don't know what to do
Still sort of active.
Alarm bells would ring for me if my partner couldn't be bothered to stay in touch despite me providing him with the means for him to do so out of my own pocket.
Your needs need to be respected too, otherwise what's the point in the relationship?
No one is perfect, but if your guy isn't even giving you a hello at this stage, when he's supposed to be trying to prove to you that he's worth it, then I think it would r wise to reconsider a future with him.
I'd be really careful.
What about Indo Fijian women? I am interested in one, online dating and she wants me to migrate.
She sounds solid but I've no clue about Fijian women as I am in South Africa.
Thanks for the reply . I am thinking carefully. Sadly these guys earn so little, I think I use that as an excuse and put credit on the phone for internet chat . I have actually know him for a very long time and my instincts are usually pretty good about people but I read and see such horror stories. I lived in Fiji a long time ago so I now the culture well. I was close with him then but had to leave, then returned not long ago and he was still single and yes, working in the same resort. He does''t ask for anything - though he did for money for a funeral . I have offered the other things , it hasn't been much. He did at one stage ask me to find a friend for a mate of his and I was horrified ! It hurt me as it made it all seems so functional instead of emotional. He is a head working guy, and not interested in coming to Australia at this stage. In fact he is studying now in Suva so he can try for a better job . It is all so different and confusing, especially seeing we don't ' date' in a traditional sense and it seems he just made up his mind when I reappeared . He did say he loved me very quickly ( on the recent trip - not years ago) and I said well we need to spend a lot of time together. The other Fijian girls I am friendly with and who have known him for years tell me he is a gentlemen and not like the others who use foreigners- mostly Aussies.
Did you have a bad experience? I am heading there soon but have other things to do as well as see how it goes with him. I haven't seen him for 6 months now and we message almost everyday but he gets slack and sometimes I don't think he knows how to be in a relationship. He is in his 30's so is not acting out of youthful naivety . But I am older and over weight......and fit the pattern very much so ( from what I can see on Facebook and the internet ).
Sorry for the typos above
i know this is years later but how did u go? ive just been taken for a ride and feel like such a fool!
Hi All,
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I have just read the thread above with great interest.
I am Australian, in my late 40's and have been with my Fijian/ITauke partner in his early 50's now for 4 years. I met him in Australia. He has been living in Australia for around 16 years and has had PR for all of that time.
My partner has always been a very independent man, he has come from real poverty, even by Fijian standards. He worked his way up through Rugby and working in many resorts in Fiji before coming to Australia....and he has seen IT ALL.
He has himself explained to me the long standing habits of men working in the resorts and the manipulating tactics to get with a white woman, be it for some pocket money, a fling, or a Residency Visa via the white meal ticket.
Although so beautiful and its citizens famous for their happiness and the Bula spirit, Fiji is still a third world country, and manipulation is not unique to Fiji!
People who are poor frequently look to western life and idealize it and crave what they think it represents...this is why companies like Coca Cola thrive even in small countries...it's selling the western dream "success happiness affluence". Even having a coke in your hand when you are in poverty brings you closer to the dream if even just in your mind, marketing!! People struggling in Fiji don't realise that life in affluent countries brings it's own struggles and pressures and a lot of unhappiness for many, including poverty and loneliness.
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So, I think that it is very true that there are many Fijian men, (ITauke, Indian and Chinese)that will manipulate white women to gain access to these things as part their desperate attempts to improve their lot in life (understandable). Thinking that they too can settle for anyone, no matter how fat, thin, old or attractive or who little they know them or what they are like and telling themselves that as long as they escape the struggle then they will be happy. And yes for sure some will do it for more mercenary motives, purely to use and get what they want and don't care who they hurt and lie to in the process.
When I was raising my Australian kids I used to always say to them "be very careful who you marry or get committed to because - you marry someone - you marry their family, so make sure you know the family". When it comes to marrying or being with a Fijian, you marry the family AND the village and that's a fact. If you don't think you will like that or get accustomed....walk away.
There has to be something in it for both parties, there will need to be compromise, BUT not just always from the "white" one for it to be happy.
The cultural differences are massive. Fascinating if you bother to learn, but very big learning curves. True comment above about the little things like humour....not just sense of humour but what is funny.
True also is the frustration that can and will eventually come from sitting around and not understanding what is being discussed from people that you know can speak English! I personally LOVE listening to Fijian being spoken and find that this is where I learn so much. My partner doesn't mingle with Fijians much in Australia, because in his own words once you open the house up Fiji style...people never stop coming and the yagona sessions etc interfere in family time. But he does loves talking on the phone to family (Get a good phone plan!!) it's funny and lovely seeing him enjoying the humour and laughing and catching up on the "coconut wireless". However when visiting in the village it can be hard not understanding things...but there's the reason to learn the language or some then its fun.
My partner hasn't taken Yagona (kava) for many years. It's a beautiful tradition and I enjoy being a part of the sessions occasionally at home in Fiji, BUT it has been abused no matter what some Fijian may say in forums about it being their "Vanua" or custom....it was NEVER the custom traditionally for it to be consumed every night by all villagers so that they cannot get up and function at work in the office, or the plantation in the morning. Yagona drinking and just "relaxing" is out of control in so many homes villages and lives...and this can extend to life in Australia, so watch out! It is the root cause of so much unhappiness in Fiji. Laziness, not working or losing jobs. We can understand a little but why it needs to go on and on and one till 3 or 4am night after night...
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My partner controls himself he doesn't drink Yagona or alcohol or smoke anymore for a long time now. He also understood that he must assimilate in Australia. He tells his family that he is a traditional Fijian with an Australian brain these days. He uses this explanation as well when dealing with commitments back home.
He is awake to the motives in Fiji and the lies that do get told....and yes this can happen quite a lot.
In a mixed culture relationship EACH has to bend. That means not all the bending from the Australian (or whatever country) to the Fijian way. Just because it's so beautiful doesn't mean that it should dominate.
Fijian's are SO incredibly respectful and polite in their customs and culture, however in Fijian culture it's not rude to ask for things (or even just take them in the case of cousins!)....you just have to understand that. But they need to understand that in general for us it is very rude for us in our "custom" to ask for things.
Traditionally in the past times for Fijians there was no concept of accumulating personal wealth. Of course this is changing in Fiji over time, but I think that it's very important to get your head around this idea. It's all shared.
In Australia there is this kind of mentality that we have children and let them go to live their lives with no expectation of paying us back. Fijian and many other cultures are not this way. Its the duty and privilege to support and pay back and honour the parents...this can cause friction when you live in Australia and see massive chunks of money flowing going via Western Union when you have unmet bills in Australia or just would like to do something nice together for once without feeling guilty...because the family back home are poor.
You have to have balance......if you cringe at the idea of this...walk away.
Even now, if we really hit the skids in Australia and you have no family...we have social welfare system and public hospitals and free education.....this simply doesn't exist in third world countries...your family and your village is the "system". This helps clarify why they can just ask for things. And because Fijian's are so welcoming the things that we adore about them...once you are welcomed as a part of them...then you are genuinely a part of the family...which is why YOU will be asked for things, because you are one of them now. LIMITS!
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So if giving and giving heartily is not in your nature....don't go there it will just cause you so many headaches. Giving is a wonderful feeling but in the Fijian context you must set your expectations early....Let your YES be YES and your NO be NO. And just because our family back home in Fiji ask us doesn't mean they always receive, and certainly not cash...we buy cows or pigs etc as money is frequently mishandled.
You can only get to know the true person with time...see how their work ethic is, how they are with money, how they cope with disagreements etc.
I also agree Fijians are just so happy and relaxed...it has been so good personally for my nature, while I am happy I was also a very stressed person. My partner has been a therapy for me physically and mentally....sometimes it's been beautiful and other times frustrating!!! waiting around Fiji Time OMG...but overall it's good for me. Fiji Time is a real phenomenon....although in Australia when it comes to work or appointment my partner functions to time because he respects and assimilated as I said earlier.
I love Fiji, and I agree with others, you really need to spend a lot of time in the village, stay there and try to integrate your life, understand the customs language and history. You only grow as a person yourself anyway so win/win.
Just remember if you bring a Fijian man to Australia (or wherever)rather than meet them in your country as I did, yes they get a huge blessing to live in an affluent country....but they really make a BIG sacrifice as well leaving all that is familiar and being away from this tight knit family, the laid back way of life, the familiar food. In the same breath...to be blunt, if they choose to come they need to remember that it's not always about them and their "Poor Family". If you have a life with a Fijian person there can be a lot of guilt about your "affluence" the people in the village see white people on holidays and probably think everyone is wealthy but don't get that a lot of people have saved for years to go on a holiday to Fiji after slogging their guts out for 20 years before being decadent enough to go on a holiday to Fiji...or it's an illusion because the holiday is actually on credit!
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You can lose yourself and your identity a bit so that your life becomes all about the Fijian family and your life/family can get lost in that. So be aware.
There are quite a few comments alluding to sexism in Fiji.
Amongst ITauke Fijians at least I haven't seen much of what I consider blatant cultural sexism...not like some middle eastern countries. But to be brutally honest I have experienced sexism from Indian Fijian businessmen in Nadi frequently which I cannot tolerate. I mean there WILL be sexism, just as there is here. Please note this is NOT a reflection on the Indian Fijians who I have met and have been warm and hospitable.
Ironically, my own daughter is also with a Fijian, no connection whatsoever. I watched VERY carefully as I was very aware of the "white meal ticket/visa/atm" issue. He is a very good young man, he is different, very focussed and hard working and determined to get ahead, he is very caring of my daughter and genuinely loves her. There has been the cultural adjustments and a sacrifice. They have had arguments and misunderstandings because of culture, but they communicate and they both compromise. I have warned her about the things ahead the commitments etc.
I'm a hopeless romantic and very trusting, I always believed people because if they say it they must mean it.....you need to check that thinking in when it comes to holiday romances in Fiji. Be very careful with your heart. If they say I love you quickly...walk away quickly.
If they ask for money or phone credit early then walk away...it's a sign and No ladies you won't be able to change him....(we love a good 'project' don't we?). If a fling is all your are after, as long as no one is under the wrong impression then a holiday fling (with condoms) is a fling. But if you think that you are looking for a lasting relationship.....investigate.
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My partner loves to cook, and is immaculately clean in himself and being house proud. Don't make judgements on peoples cleanliness based on pictures or even seeing their house. Their homes in villages can be VERY VERY basic and could have been cobbled together with old scraps of tin. MOST houses and families that I have experienced across Fiji the people are IMMACULATE. I read a post above in the thread saying that there weren't many good looking or clean Fijian men....ummmm where were YOU looking lady????....that's the problem, Fiji is exploding with completely GORGEOUS men (and women)....it's unfair they have a very high percentage of way above average looking citizens. If I wasn't totally in love with my man....it could be very distracting indeed!
It's my opinion that Fijian's as a general rule are extremely affectionate (privately...they don't do public affection very well) loving and frankly very sexy. They lack hang ups about physicality. So if you are a bigger girl as I am...they often will see this as being healthy and sexy in its own way. So it's not always a sign that they just the money honey if they are interested and your are cuddly.
Because of my partner I am aware of quite a lot of very nice ITauke men living and working in Australia leading very happy lives with their Australian wives, who feel just like I do. There's frustration but so much joy if it's a genuine relationship. Yes some are on their second relationship....that happens everywhere.
As for me even with all the "challenges" and frustrations, I am so grateful that I met this most beautiful human being and that I have been welcomed into a life that I thoroughly embrace and could only have ever dreamed of. I have had two relationships with white Australians with a good job etc etc who quite frankly treated me like rubbish, cheated on me and abused and dominated me, race is irrelevant in this regard....I thank my lucky stars every day that I met my beautiful partner, and remember that whenever I might feel frustrated!
Being with a (good) Fijian man comes with some hefty price tags....but it pays huge dividends!
THE END....thanks for reading, hope this is of some interest.
Best wishes to you all in your search for true love.
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Hi, is this forum still active? I need advice for my uk daughter who married a Fijian 4 months ago. We are white British living in the uk. She knew him for 6 years before marriage and spent a lot of time living in the village when she visited. He has been in the uk only 1 week and we believe now that he married for the visa. Help, don't know what to do next. Could do with some urgent advice and someone willing to help translate what we believe us evidence if this on his phone written in yasawa dialect. Please help.
Hi, we can try and help. I am from the uk too. My husband is from Fiji. If you post what he wrote?
Thank you. Are you living in the UK, or Fiji based? It might be easier for me to send it by private message or email?
sorry islandgal, didn't mean to reply as anon!
I'm UK based!
Can you private message me on here? Don't want to write my email for all to see!
quite understand. Not sure how to do that? Clicked on your name, but no link to message?
Hey Island Gal, me and Lizzie both need your help!
I'm one of Lizzie's Daughters.
please message me here : lauraloulouward@gmail.com - Old work account.
We can exchange details there so we can chat freely.
Hi Islandgal, please message me to let me know how to send you a pm. I really need some help with translating some Western Fijian island dialect. Are you still able to help please? Thank you. If not, is there anyone else out there who would be able to help please?
Hi,
I emailed you a few weeks ago but no reply! Maybe check your junk mail? I am happy to help.
Charlotte
Thanks Charlotte. Please can you pm me your email address/phone number?
My daughter is away and I can't ask her to access her messages atm?
It won't tell me pm you. What is your email?
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I'm an Aussie girl who's just a relationship with the most amazing guy I've ever met, who is Fijian. I wasn't looking for a relationship AT ALL, but I couldn't help falling for him. I had a mad crush from the beginning, though he was focused more on his job and didn't notice me at first. I didn't care, I just enjoyed being near him and seeing him and didn't want a relationship anyway. I kept my wildly beating heart and breathlessness to myself and tried to go on business as usual. But I craved and treasured every look, conversation, touch or accidental meeting.
After a while I noticed he had noticed me. He complemented me on my dress, or I would feel him quietly looking at me. He would look for me in a crowd. He seemed as nervous as me to be close. We would shake hands then both lock fingers as we parted and there would just be this moment looking at each other knowing we both treasured this small touch and didn't want to part. I started to need to be with him and he asked me to come with him more. When we realised we both did like each other, we asked how old each other is. I'm a lot older than him, so he decided I was too old, which was a shame because he really liked me and he was the sort of person he had been looking for. He was genuinely heartbroken about it. And trust me, he gets a lot of offers! But my time there was short so we spent time together while we could, knowing it couldn't go anywhere.
Well, things moved quickly and got really intense. We are both intense people. By the time I left he said he loved me and the age difference didn't matter - it was the person that mattered, though I think he struggled with the age difference on and off for a while, mainly because he wanted lots of kids. When I left I accidentally cried my eyes out in front of the world and he tried valiantly not to. I wouldn't have gone if I didn't have other responsibilities. We were connected on social media before I even got home and he messages me every day, a few times and calls every other day. I know it costs him a fortune and I really appreciate it. That is his gift to me though he calls because he needs to talk to me as often as possible.
The reason I'm writing is that I read these posts and got worried. I went from being curious about cultural differences so I was prepared, to worried that I was being used..I'm older, I'm overweight, he works in a resort, I have given him gifts (because I wanted to)...I was so worried all of a sudden with no other reason to be, that when he didn't write for a few hours (not days, mind you), I got into a panic. I told him if he wasn't interested at least tell me.. I could have lost this beautiful relationship with the love of my life. He panicked, was devastated, explained he was so busy at work, asked me again to marry him..He is truly beautiful...
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I realised I fell into the many of the traps of my own culture and it nearly cost me my happiness. So after a few days of mulling about this, here are my thoughts. I'm no expert and forgive my harshness but I want to contribute a different point of view. I'm not saying anyone is a bad person or is intentionally being self-centred but I do want to talk about the cultural differences more. I hope this is a middle ground (the benefit of my age (; )
I think we all think of culture belonging to other people and don't see our own cultural indoctrination. We see the cultural difference belonging to others and very often, from some of these posts, that the compromise should mostly on the other side, and that our compromise will be going to church or learning some Fijian. But culture is much deeper - it is the essence of our world view, it's where the love comes from, it's the way of putting everything in order. We need to adjust how we think about everything and even how we love others and receive love from others if we are going to have a true cultural compromise.
I think as Westerners, we are taught to be, and expect to be, the top of the pile. We have a very self-centred view of the world with what we will and won't accept (we have options) and even in concepts like ownership - that things are ours and don't belong to others. That we have what we have (money, objects, time) because somehow we earnt it and so we should have complete authority over it (by implication this can mean to many people that somehow people who don't have much didn't earn it and so don't deserve as much love and respect). That means we sometimes resent imposition on these resources but also we expect to be able to dole these out as we see fit. These are not necessarily conscious, well thought out concepts but they do exist in our culture, maybe more than people realise. They influence our thoughts even when we are not aware of them. Even when you are trying to be a good, open-minded person.
This plays out in relationships when we worry about being 'used' as if the only advantage in this relationship should be ours. As if we should get the hot guy with the beautiful, gentle, joyful soul and he should get nothing from us except the joy of our company. I don't agree with this as this is not what love is. Love is sharing. If I have it I want to give it to him if it will help him or make him smile, because I love him. To me, that is the heart of Fijian culture. Yes there is obligation but it seems to come from love - family love, community love - and yet for many Westerners it is often met with resentment (I was there in a previous relationship with someone from a similar culture once so I do get it, but hear me out). So many people seem to want to be only on the receiving end of this - all the attention and good feeling without getting into the true spirit of it. Maybe this is partly because our first introduction to their country is as well looked after foreigners and paying guests.
Love isn't about denying the person you love to test them, it should come from your soul and be the person you are. Yes, we risk ourselves when we give of ourselves, but this is true in any relationship. Worrying about being used nearly turned me into the person I don't want to be and so I would rather the risk and the wonderful advantages of that (beautiful man, inside and out) than letting fear of things that are 'mine' being taken from me.
stay tune for part 3...
Part 3
This western thinking also comes across in this idea that 'overweight' women are worth less so are more vulnerable and desperate. What a horrible thought. It comes from our culture of advertising, body shaming, fashion and fitness magazines and objectification. You have to remember that a lot of these men grew up without this. They grew up with normal healthy, beautiful, often curvy women around them and they are not seeing curvy women in the way you are, they see women with extra interesting bits. Or maybe they are just seeing good hearts and kind souls because they are good people. This is true of every culture without the same advertising/ shaming culture we have. Even the word 'overweight' shows a judgement against an ideal.
As to working in a resort, my man is AMAZING as what he does and brings joy to hundreds of people each year. I am incredibly lucky to have his attention as he is widely adored. I don't hold the fact he works in a resort against him - it was an excellent career move for him and makes him happy. I can't believe people want to use people's jobs against them, as if men only work there to pick up women. Maybe some are using the opportunity they have but you'll see that anywhere. Don't cut out the possibility of an amazing romance with someone just because of their job. Give the poor guy a break.
Which leads me onto the next point about wealth. Please stop this 'he's after me for money because he's poor' baloney or its cousin 'I know he's not using me because he is rich'. Noone can help the circumstances they come from and it is not their circumstances that will make them a 'user' or not - it's their heart. Again, western thinking - notice it and keep it in check. My man asked me for a hat because it it easier for me to buy than for him out on an island. I'm not keeping an account but I'm pretty sure he spends more money than that on his data plan for me. And ask yourself, if you were out shopping with a boyfriend from your own country who has as much or more than you, wouldn't you expect them to sometimes buy you something you liked? And wouldn't you reciprocate if you loved them and saw that book etc they really liked? Why shouldn't your Fijian boy expect you you to buy things sometimes because you love them? And can't they sometimes feel insecure because they think you are amazing and out of their league, like we all do when we're smitten?
And the age thing. Yep, for us, not ideal, but as he and his friends say, age is just a number when you truly love someone. It didn't make me desperate, in fact, it may have made me less self-centred than I was in my twenties so a much better fit with him. And I've been around long enough to truly value his very heart and soul. If anything, our age difference has got me off my couch and getting fitter to keep up with him, which is no bad thing (;
Anyway, just a perspective. My relationship is new though he is not the only islander I've dated or been friends with so I have had my own cultural ideas challenged for a very long time. I hope I've given you something different to think about. For me, this is a relationship that pays back in love more than I could ever invest in any other resource, no matter how long it lasts and I choose to just be the beauty and joy and am learning to worry less. As my beautiful man said to me, I should choose love over everything else and I think that sums it up perfectly. I wish you all happiness xx
Ugh...*as I was the sort of person...sorry
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I am a Fijian Indian woman, having married an Australia and lived in Australia for 30 years. I married an 'outsider' as i had the same fears that most women in Fiji have, ie men's patriarchal rights, their privileges and the list goes on. Unfortunately, I lived my fears during my marriage to the Australian man, as the relationship was marred by family violence, which almost destroyed my life, which i am now rebuilding. i consider myself lucky that am able to rebuild my and that of my lives, but there are so many women who are not so lucky.
The message that I trying to send is that there is good and bad in all, you just have to be so careful, no matter who you form a relationship with. Marrying a person from a different cultural background has additional layer of complication and challenges, that you have to be aware. Talk to your friends about your relationship, your fears, listen to your intuition, have physical separation from the person so that you can reflect on
relationship and DO NOT RUSH. I currently work as a family violence consultant and hear these types of stories all the time. Please take care out there and keep talking to people and anyone that will listen.
I work a family violence practitioner and hear these stories all the time, it is not likely to stop but work together to support each other.
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I'm Australian And my bf of 6 months is Fijian living in Australia for 6 years. He's been married and has a son with an Australian/Fijian girl but they broke up. He was quick to say he wants to marry me and have a baby with me. I kept telling him to find someone younger. I'm 43 he's 35. He seems absolutely obsessed with me. Loves to cook for me, always wants to FaceTime, wants to be very affectionate etc. but he is jealous and wants to know where I am and who I'm with all the time. He doesn't understand that it offends me that he thinks I would be cheating or lying. He says it's just because he cares. He's made me so mad I've broken up with him a couple of times but he doesn't accept it and convinces me to come back. I'm not sure if it's typical cultural differences or if he's a narcissist who wants to control me. I don't allow him to control me and he holds no grudges.
I'm not sure how active this blog is, this comment is written in 2023. I read most of the comments about resort boys wanting something out of western women who met them at the resort and I cannot agree more, this is a warning sign for you to STAY AWAY from them, as some of my Fijian friends already warned me and they also work in resorts.
I just came back from a solo trip to Fiji Islands. I stayed at two different resorts in the Mamanuca islands. I met a resort activity boy at the resort where I stayed, he was a few years younger than me and he claimed that he is single and he doesn't think it is the right time now for him to have a girlfriend/wife. He was caring, and sweet, took me to snorkel, climbed the coconut tree for me, and took me on a hike and a night swim on the same day - it all happened when he was working at the resort and I met him while he was working. Of course, things developed further and he stayed with me the night before I left the resort.
We agree that he will come to another island where I was staying at another resort, and his mum, brother, and other related cousins & relatives also work in that resort. He had his phone switched off for a few days, he explained that he got thrown into water on new years eve ( apparently it's part of Fijian culture you get thrown into water on NYE), hence why his phone wasn't working. But he did tell his relative who works at the resort reception that he is seeing me (as a friend), and he will come in from the village and meet me at the resort.
After days trying to contact him on his phone and social media without success, I indeed met him through his cousin and another relative who work at the resort as they took me to the village and ask for him. I had to pay for him to stay for the night with me and I also paid for his food, and bought food for his cousin and relative who helped me to find him at the village as a thank you. (He asked for it).
strange things happened during his stay with me, he wasn't wiling to walk around the resort with me, and he preferred in-room dining, he was scared to go into the restaurant and have breakfast with me as most resort workers know him through his mum who works at the resort.
The security guard was also being cautious about him staying with me - he found out from the villagers that he is actually married.
Now this is the dramatic part - his relatives didn't know that he was married and they told me to find him in the village, I can access his house through the beach. I went to the village out of curiosity and asked for him. Everyone told me that he was married and his wife was in the house. the kids from the village directed me to his house and his wife was there, she even knew my name. I was shocked that she was there and called me by my name, and I found him in the village and confronted him. He confessed that he lied to his wife and his family that I was just a friend and I was helping him to get his visa sorted to come to Australia. The most awkward thing was when his wife followed me to find him and the 3 of us were standing next to each other.
He also managed to asked me for 20 FJD to help buy groceries for the widows in his village, so all together he was able to get a few meals and 20 FJD from me which he said it was for the widows. (God knows what it was for). Also he confessed that he has cheated on his wife a few times with different women in a 3 months time period and they were all okay that he was married (god knows if he was lying again).
This was a life lesson for us all - DO NOT TRUST any of the words that come out from resort boys if they want to run a relationship with you, meet with their family and close friends before you commit to anything.
I had a sort of similar experience in terms of being used by a fijian guy. Im British American. They know how to charm and be sweet & say all the right things so long as theyre getting what they want. But when i refused or challenged it i was verbally abused, and there were silent treatments & emotional manipulation. A lot of narcissism tbh. I had my heart crushed. I loved this man but he diarespexted me despite me helping his family in Fiji financially & i was always there for him whenever he needed anything.. but he smeared my name, cheated on me in England and also was 'dating' more than one girl in fiji who all seemed to be convinced they were his gf. He also sent them money.. despite the fact he mever had any for us to just go out and have a date night etc. Basically i was naive and stupid and fell for it. I got pregnant and I am keeping the baby as i want to be a mother but the emotional manipulation and mind games and pressure from the family has made this a very difficult experience. I feel so foolish but i will never put myself through this again.
This was such a deja vu for me reading your experience. I experience similar behaviour. Domestic violence and controlling behaviour is right up there and the community doesnt take kindly to those who report it.
Re read what you have written yourself describing these men and think there you already have your answer. I hope you didn't get used...
Hi, I met a fijian man, and we dated for nearly two years And all he was doing is lying, lying and lying just to get where he is now.& he said to me I'm so sorry I just used u all along pls forgive me.. all that trust honestly I've never felt so stupid in my life and I'm still hurting so much until this day. Because now he has a better job and iving his best life with another girl. Pls be careful
Hi, I would love to chat with u more
Love is one of the most beautiful things that happen to us as human beings.
But if you are being lied to or used just because you have shown your vulnerability to someone, then he is totally not worth it.
If you happen to fall for one of these Fijian boys while you are on your holidays, there is nothing wrong with it, but remember to use protection while having sex. Kids are precious, but you would want your kids to grow up in a safe and loving environment, not having parents separated or going through domestic violence.
If any of them shows interest to run a relationship with you, please go and meet his parents, siblings and friends in the village, and ask them about him and his character. Stay in the village and see if you can take his lifestyle and culture.
If he is starting to manipulate your emotions, asking you for money and material things, walk away, this is a bad sign. you wouldn't want a western man ask you for money, and why would you let someone from another culture do that? just because they are earning below-average income in Fiji does not mean you change or lower their standard.
A man will be honest, loving, and provide fo his women to the best of his ability.
Good luck girls !
Even the real fijian men are the same, honestly trust me they all lies.
Just came back from a solo trip in Fiji (May 2023) and I could swear I know your guy. There was this cultural activities guy at this Mamanuca resort who did the stuff you mentioned. I used to tease him about his act because I'm sure he gets lots of attention and invitations from female guests. Then he said that it's not the right time for him to be in a serious relationship or get married. Which made me laugh again because Fiji seems to be full of single men. In total contradiction with their culture which revolves around community and church. He also told me this story about this American girl who came to this resort, saw him dance and became hooked on him, then invited him to another island where she booked a room for them. He said that made him uncomfortable and he supposedly didn't go because he'snot aboutthese things. He may have used a different nationality for the female guest, or changed the story a bit for puritanical effects, but I strongly believe this is your guy. He operates in the reverse psychology realm making women believe he's uninterested in a relationship, not particularly them. I spent one night with one of the chefs at the same resort (made him buy the condoms) and this activity guy suddenly became friendlier towards me. Then the resort staff was rooting for us, telling me what a humble guy the chef is. Then the "I love you" and "I wanna marry you" followed but I was already bored. Ghosted the maafaackaa.
Now tips for you ladies to see BS very early on:
- He's a shy guy (mine was allegedly a virgin LOL) and looks inexperienced. I caught this one early on because his FB activity showed otherwise. He seemed to be a very popular seasoned guy.
- His interest in you is reactive, not proactive. Which means he's just waiting for another one to fall in his lap. I used to ask his coworkers about him being gay or something because I found him really cute. Within hours, he was looking for alone time with me to talk and get to know me.
- He doesn't have condoms, or cigarettes, or whatever. Don't buy anything for him, don't offer to pay, just don't. I made him buy the condoms and he did so. I did offer him a cigarette here and there when I was smoking one as well.
- His words don't match his actions. This is a huge one. If you catch on this one early on, then you should expect drama to unfold with lies, miscommunication and misunderstandings. Mine had all the right words but seemed to be in a hurry the night we spent together. Because he had an early shift. Which was a lie because he started at noon and I immediately confronted him. If course he had an answer for it, but I briefly replied this is disrespectful full stop.
- He talks relationship, love and marriage very quickly. But what really triggered me was the fact that he was more comfortable expressing all this bogus via calls or video, after the fact (oh, I miss you LOL) and not face to face when he seemed to be in a state of urgency. This is when I began getting bored and eventually ghosted him.
- He sends you lots of quotes, love declarations and crap in an English that's at a proficient level, while his is at village level. This one was bang on for me. I began Googling every quote one by one just for fun.
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- He sends you videos, blows you kisses, but never talks or calls you by your name. He must send the same video to a ton of other women. Mine also sent me one with him crying because he was losing me. But the tears were coming out of his forehead instead. Like maafaakaa throw that water in your eyes only for dranatic effect, not the whole face.
- He seems to run out of phone credit quite often. Don't offer to pay for it so he can call you. Don't sponsor him at all. Condoms, cigarettes or phone credit will soon become bigger needs and projects that need financing. From your purse. Mine sent me a snapshot of the dialogue with his "phone company" notifying him that he's run out of credit. With lots of typos and hilarious sentencing. It made me giggle but didn't tell him anything. Just to him to use the resort wifi. He miraculously found a solution to call me back later that day. Conversations were boring anyway, I was bored and done with it in less than two days. Had an OK night with him, but not interested in exploring our cultural differences deeper just for sex. Not worth it.
Now, we all know how many Australian women get duped by Pacific islanders, how many American and European women get duped by Africans and Carribean islanders. It's all out there on the internet. That's why us women should tread carefully and stay rational during our holidays abroad. How many times have we left for a vacation stressed, exhausted and ready to implode because of work and life responsibilities? Just to find ourselves in paradise surrounded by warmth, scents and attractive men? This is the trap and these men know how to capitalize on it. They found a way out of their condition by using their assets and way too many women fall for it. Then end up miserable and in debt because they took on yet another responsibility having forgotten just how overwhelmed he'd been before that vacation. We need to be wiser as we get older.
In my opinion, all female readers should read these cautionary takes VERY CAREFULLY and take their rose colored glasses off. This "I'm special, I'm not like the other ones, I'm the exception to the rule, this will never happen to me" mentality needs to stop and women need to learn to pay attention when they're being warned by other women. Or at least take accountability for their choices and stop looking for other women to commiserate with after the fact. If you're not offended by my bluntness so far, please continue to read below. I'm going to hit you with some realities.
Fijian men will never be your fairytale princes. They come from a culture that's very patriarchal and set in its ways. Fijian women don't seem to have much of a voice in important matters. Not yet, but they're starting to wake up and claim their position as equals to men in society. This may take another few decades until fully obtained. And by then, your love interests will be grandfathers. But let's focus on right now. What do we have? Some good looking Fijian males who gave you some attention on your holiday or volunteering or work project. You're very much smitten, flattered by his attention and wondering if his love declarations are genuine. Think again, especiallyif you'reolder than him, or overweight, or too eager. For them, these types of women are the easiest to fool and low maintenance, the ideal low hanging fruit.
I'm a woman myself and I got involved in a short holiday fling with a resort worker. I'm a seasoned traveler and been to a lot of destinations where local men look at western women as an ATM machine, visa and ticket out of the country. I would dodge any attempt to "get to know me" so I never experienced an intimate encounter with a local man until Fiji. This Fijian guy wasn't gorgeous per se, but he had his charm, was attractive and seemed interested in me. I really needed some, so I took him to bed. It was adequate, not great. But I wasn't expecting a magnificent performance either. He's younger and seemed a bit inexperienced. But what surprised me even more, was the fact that he didn't seem to be very comfortable with his sexuality and, as a result, didn't live in the moment as much as I did. And it's sad because these men think western women are rather stupid and easy. Not free and in tune with their femininity, emotions and sexuality. Which is a complete turn off in my book. I had a nice night with him and he had a... I have no idea and don't care about asking whether he was genuinely attracted to me or he saw me as an opportunity to come to Europe. Because I intuitively know it's mostly the latter. I paid attention to his "game" after that night and after I left the island and it was almost too self explanatory.
These island men are primitive and basic. They aren't sophisticated and lack the drive and competitiveness of the western professional men. They have that primal appeal about them and it's magical in the moment. However frustrating in the long run. Now imagine you're taking the island homeboy to your country.
Your comments about these men being primal and basic are rooted in a racist narrative reminiscent of colonial times. You should be ashamed at yourself.
Would love to chat? Please reply if you want to. I’m also British
I agree, calling Fijian men primitive is racist af, no matter how you try and spin it. I hate to see women being played by men who are using them for their own gain but that doesn’t mean we have to resort to painting Fijians with the same brush and calling them primal as if they’re animals.
RE the girl who travelled solo in May 2023, is this resort the Mana Island Resort? The guy I met finished his job at the Island I met him and I know that he was working at Mana in early 2023. Otherwise this is a total different guy you met and they seem to use the same strategy.
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